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Ep. 35: Brie Wolfson - Loving Attention & Ease in Craft
@zebriez is something of a marketing and culture wizard, and has helped some of the most incredible companies and leaders in Silicon Valley by amplifying what is true and unique about them.
That includes @cursor_ai and @mntruell, @joincolossus and @patrick_oshag, @stripe, @stripepress and @patrickc, @figma and @zoink, and others behind the scenes.
But what stands out most in Brie is her infectious joy, dedication to craft, and lifelong dance between a desire to be great and an ability to listen to and trust herself to go in unlikely directions--as she so poignantly explored in her recent essay/profile on @kevin2kelly, 'Flounder Mode.'
I hope this conversation inspires you find ways to amplify those you believe in with loving attention, settle into ease and quality in whatever you make, and pursue a life of joyful usefulness.
Available below and on all platforms.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Opening
3:54 - Notion
5:04 - Intro: Craft, Finger Feel, and Staying Closer to the Ground Level
13:27 - Process vs. Output, Quality vs. Speed, and Great Editing
21:44 - Craft, Substance, and Truth in Marketing
25:56 - Individuals as the Building Block of a Company and Empowered ICs
32:02 - Creative Collaboration and In-Person and Remote
36:46 - Company Building: What is Changing and What Will Stay the Same
44:25 - The Soft Stuff: Great Company Values and Great Culture
52:17 - Thinking vs. Doing Cultures, 996 and Difficulty Sitting Still
1:00:37 - Morale, Fun, Amplifying Leaders, and Loving Attention
1:11:58 - Career Path Advice for Young People
1:19:56 - Kevin Kelly, Chasing Greatness, Illegibility, and Ease in One's Craft
1:27:29 - Special Talent and Contagious Ambition
1:32:22 - Brie’s Spike: Charisma, Hard and Soft, Making Things Fun, and Belief
1:43:23 - Taste, Appreciation, Generosity, Skill and Soul
1:57:26 - Great Editors, Saying No and Getting to Yes, and Being Receptive to Editing...
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